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bunn ([personal profile] bunn) wrote2008-01-20 11:42 am
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Culture and cats

Earlier this year we added the two Bengals to our household of cats. Their integration has been....

The Bengals were in many ways quite different to the rest of our cats. They growl a lot, even if they aren't particularly angry. They have NO concept of personal space (this is a big one: normally personal space is a really important cat concept). And they are very confident (some would say overconfident) and don't take a hint. Teaching them things like 'you don't climb up people's trousers to get at the plate they are holding' took more effort than I am used to!

What I don't know is how far this is a real 'culture', due to how they were raised, and how far it's inbuilt in them genetically, and how far it is down to them just being quite young still. It probably fits with 'culture' in that elements of it appear to be transmissable, at least.

Anyway I think it would be reasonable to say that they had a very different culture (for want of another word) to the more subtle and 'political' existing cat culture. I shall call this the Moggies. A Moggy cat could make a statement just by his exact choice of where to sit within a room. That sort of statement would be totally ignored by the Bengals, who probably wouldn't even notice it. Most manoevering went on at quite a distance, and it was very clearly hierarchical, with poor Footie as bottom cat coming in for quite a lot of chasing and terrorising.

To start with, the existing cats were quite terrified of the Bengals, who clearly came across to them as extremely aggressive and territorial. They invaded their space, they didn't accept reprimands the first time they were given, and they *growled* all the time! Of our two existing 'top cats' Henning became a sad terrified cat who sat outside a lot looking miserable: Perl kept her distance and was unusually quiet, though the effect on her personal confidence was not as severe as Henning's. Kjetil kept away from the Bengal invasion of his space, with huge athletic leaps that they could not match. Footie was the only one who seemed pleased - the disruption of the normal hierarchy took the pressure off him.

But this state of affairs did not last. Now, I believe that the two cat cultures have merged.

The Moggies have become more Bengalish. They growl more, and have become much more tolerant of their personal space. They will tolerate a nose applied too close, for too long, to the bottom with reasonable grace, and if they cannot put up with it any longer, will reprove the offender by growling or bopping with a paw rather than running away or staging a fullscale attack.

The Bengals on their part have learned a little Moggy. They are not quick learners as cats go, but they have learned that they cannot simply charge up to a Moggy without regretting it. I think they are getting some of the Moggy signals. And they have learned to jump out of the way of other cats as the Moggies do, although given that they are still rather clumsy, this is not always a successful manoever.

They have also learned which of the Moggies will tolerate a certain amount of Bengalling about (Footie and Kjetil) and which are likely to punish encroachment with a fierce attack (Perl, but Henning has started doing it too now he has got his confidence back).


The end result seems to be that we are ending up with a 'flatter' structure than before and a more flexible social structure. Instead of one 'bottom' cat who is kept firmly in his place, we have a number of cats who may be reproved by other cats in particular situations. For example, yesterday Footie got possession of a bowl with some milk from cereal left in the bottom of it. Despite 2 Bengals and a Henning being in the room, he fiercely defended his prize by growling, and the other cats respected his control over the resource.

This is a big step for the Bengals, who previously considered all foods to be theirs for the taking, and a big step for Footie, who is definitely getting more respect now that he is more vocal.

Unfortunately, on that occasion he was in a position where he couldn't retreat without showing his tail, and was clearly becoming uncomfortable. I cut short the experiment by picking him up and moving him to somewhere where he could retreat safely. Otherwise I think once he started to move, both Yama and Henning would have gone after him.

[identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com 2008-01-20 10:25 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm... This magically appeared half way down my Friends page. It says you posted it yesterday morning, but I'm sure it wasn't there yesterday. Where did you get your time machine from, and can I get one?

As for the content... This is all fascinating. It's like an anthropological (felinological?) study of two cultures interacting for the first time. I bet people can get research grants to study things like this in remote jungle tribes, while here you have it played out in your own living room.
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[identity profile] bunn.livejournal.com 2008-01-20 11:48 am (UTC)(link)
I posted half of it, then I had to go out so I made it private. Then I added more thoughts and thought I'd finished it so I made it public. Now I've just re-read it and thought of some new things and added those, then I saw your comment and changed the date on it to now.

So you now posted your comment *before the post existed!*, thus fulfilling your desire for your own time machine...

I think it's interesting. I am not sure how Bengals can have a culture of their own, given that they don't live in big groups with other bengals, but i do think it's interesting that the Moggies (I think on the whole the Moggies are the cleverer and more sophisticated group) have picked up on and adapted to the Bengalisms.

[identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com 2008-01-20 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Strange. Even though you've changed the time stamp, it still appears on my Friends page in a position that suggests you posted it yesterday morning. Clearly LJ is not impressed with tricks with time machines.

It would be interesting to compare notes with other Bengal adopters to see if their Bengals exhibit similar traits.
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[identity profile] bunn.livejournal.com 2008-01-20 01:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, how odd. There must be 2 fields for date then, a public one and one used for ordering... Oh well.

I might try posting this onto a forum where the bengal cat rescue people hang out, see if they've had similar experiences.

[identity profile] the-marquis.livejournal.com 2008-01-20 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Would you care to elucidate or move before your respective spouses catch you?

[identity profile] jane-somebody.livejournal.com 2008-01-20 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, changing the date/time can change the order posts appear in your own journal (so for instance you can force a top post by dating it way in the future - but then LJ is likely to grumble about it and ask you if you want to backdate the subsequent posts you make) but it doesn't change *when it was actually posted* which is what affects the position on friends-page etc. (Thus your friends page may contain posts with oddly corresponding times, as the time-stamp relates to when you started writing the post, but the order depends on when you hit post - so I could start a post at 8.00, say, but not post it till 9.00, where it will appear marked as 8.00 after a post marked as 8.30 that someone else wrote in five minutes. That's quite apart from local timezone issues, of course.) The only way I have found to move a post to an appropriate place on friends pages, when I have, as often, been in Bunn's position and privatised a half-written post that I subsequently want to make public, is to make a new post, copying the text from the 'edit post' window of the old post, and redoing headers/mood/tags etc, then deleting the original post. If there is a better way, I don't know it.

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[personal profile] chainmailmaiden 2008-01-21 02:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Go Footie! :-)

It's interesting hearing how the dynamics have changed over time and how they've all learnt from each other. We've seen some changes in ours since they've been together. Lindy was silent when we got her, but she's learnt to give us a running commentary of what she's doing, just like Flossie does. Lindy has also learnt how to play, she hadn't got a clue when we got her, but now she runs and jumps more enthusiastically then Floss. I'm not sure Flossie has picked up anything noticeable from Lindy, but then Lindy didn't have much personality when we got her, she was just very quiet and sat around not doing anything. I put this down to the fact she was owned by an old lady, who was probably not very mobile, before we got her.