The gift of tongues

[bunn]

When I am reading I have this horrible habit of being caught by incidental detail, and thinking 'hang on, that's wrong, isn't it'? My brain then hares off after that detail and loses the plot.

Last time I read through A Song of Ice and Fire, I was taken by the remarkable fatness of Samwell Tarly, which persists despite military training and rations, forced marches, seasickness, and lack of money.

This time I read it, I noted that Ser Wylis Manderly is apparently stricken by the same remarkable problem: despite the stresses and strains of riding to war, battle, being taken and held prisoner for some considerable while in a situation where the prisoners are driven to cannibalism, he's *still* fat when released. How odd.

I also wondered about Ser Ilyn Payne and Victarion's tongueless bedwench. Neither of them is able to talk at all, because their tongues have been removed. Yet, surely, the ability to speak is not entirely tongue-based? Admittedly it is hard to pretend you don't have a tongue, but I reckon that quite a few consonants are shaped entirely by the lips, and removing the tongue surely would not damage the vocal chords? It would certainly render someone hard to understand, but surely not completely silent...?

Comments

[ladyofastolat.livejournal.com]

Hmm... That does make sense. Given that raven-wrangling seems to be an issue of sekrit maester knowledge, there must be more to it than just point and click. (Though I suppose it could all be a fraud, designed to boost the prestige of the maesters and keep communication in their hands. It's possible that when maesters go off on their Advanced Raven-Lore Course, it's a mere five minutes of quick instruction ("freshly killed meat every day, with some Trill on the side") followed by a few months relaxing and partying - or, as they will tell everyone when they get back, "long sessions of challenging studying, learning secrets that you can never be told".)

Though why stop at near-human intelligence? Maybe the ravens are the Others, who have been secretly manipulating the human kingdoms through total control of their communications and the judicious deleting of the word "not" from their messages.

I suspect that a 100 year old hedgerow counts as old in any system of agriculture created by an American. ;-)

[bunn.livejournal.com]

The 'really old' 100 year old hedge just seems to jibe oddly with a throne that the ruling family have been sat on for 300 years. But maybe the dragons toasted the hedges of the riverlands in some historical event that we've not yet been told about...

[ladyofastolat.livejournal.com]

I don't think 300 years old is that old for a throne, these being things that are generally Tradition and Continuity with the Past and such like. What is more amazing, though, is that in all those 300 years, no-one thought to call in the Changing Thrones team to make the whole thing a bit more comfortable.

It's a fair point, though. Everything in Fantasyland is far older than things are here. Civilisations tend to last unchanged for thousands of years, people still use weapons that were made 5000 yeards ago, and you can go back 10,000 years in the prologue, and find that fashions are the same as now.

[bunn.livejournal.com]

Goodness, I know! You can tell that they have succession in the male line, I'm sure that a queen would have had the whole thing done out with cushions within a week!

That will be book 8 : "Daenerys Redecorates" :-D

[the-marquis.livejournal.com]

Is this actually a sign of republican authors who know their readership like monarchs and thus inflict piles on them with these uncomfortable old (stone?) thrones?